Re: [madPL] Trolls and the need for Allies

[Guri Sohi <gssohi@xxxxxxxx>]

    Hi Alexandra,
      
      Yes, it was the remark related to COVID. 
      
      Articles like the one which you link, which tout the superiority
      of the (homogeneous) Northern European countries over other
      countries that are less homogeneous, proliferate the media,
      especially in the US.  Many people in CS are from backgrounds that
      aren't welcome (or at least treated equally) in such countries. 
      So it may have been hard for someone to hear about their
      superiority in a CS forum.
      
      No need to apologize to me.
      
      Cheers,
      
      Guri

On 7/1/2020 7:41 PM, alexandra.silva@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

Hi Guri, 

I am guessing you are referring to the remark about COVID. In no way I meant to imply that Germans are superior to Americans, Indians, or any other nationality. I am sorry if that was the perception I gave and you found that offensive. Lesson learned, and I can only apologize. For context, I made that remark having had just read this article: 

https://theconversation.com/women-leaders-and-coronavirus-look-beyond-stereotypes-to-find-the-secret-of-their-success-141414

Best wishes,

Alexandra 

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 7:26 PM Guri Sohi <gssohi@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Alexandra,

Thanks for sharing the link.  I listened to your non-scientific remarks.  There is one part which I found extremely offensive: the implication that Germans are superior to Americans, Brazilians, British, Indians.  Many of us have heard that numerous times before in many different ways.

Just thought you might like to know.

Cheers,

Guri

On 7/1/2020 11:31 AM, alexandra.silva@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

Hi Tom,

https://youtu.be/dYsQSk_Ftj0

My non-scientific remarks start around 6:38:40.

Cheers,

Alexandra

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:17 AM Thomas Reps <reps@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Alexandra,

 

Glad to hear that the appeal was successful.

 

Tom

 

P.S. Can you send a link to the video?

 

From: Pl-seminar <pl-seminar-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of loris@xxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 9:47 AM
To: alexandra.silva@xxxxxxxxx
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Subject: Re: [madPL] Trolls and the need for Allies

 

This is terrible. 

 

For what is worth, we will continue to do our best to make our group a welcoming place for women and everyone.

 

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:36 AM <alexandra.silva@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Dear all, 

 

Yesterday I gave a talk at the Women in Logic workshop. It was a scientific talk with remarks at the end on being a woman in logic. The youtube stream was reported and taken down -- yesterday we were not sure when/why, but here's the report from the organisers:

- What happened is that someone "flagged" the WiL video streaming
towards the end of Alexandra's talk (after the scientific part was
concluded).
 - As soon as someone flags a video streaming, Youtube immediately
removes everything (and I mean _everything_, streaming, video file,
identifications) and sends a warning to the whole FSCD-IJCAR Channel.
This process is particularly automatic as human intervention is
minimized during the pandemic.
 - We immediately made an Appeal to Youtube, but while the removal of
the content is automatized, the Appeal needs to be approved by humans.
 - Today, we received the "Decision on your Video Appeal": "After
further review, we have reinstated your video.".

Summing up, we won the Appeal, but it is not very useful.

My personal opinion: someone raised a community complaint and flagged
the video as a hostile act towards the WiL workshop.
This is a further proof that you need to continue doing what you're doing! 

I am really sad to see that some troll hates women so much he was monitoring the stream and waited for my "complaints" to start to take down the stream. 

 

I feel very welcome at MadPL and I see a lot of you as Allies to women and other minorities in the field. Please continue being allies because as this shows the field has a long way to go to be really inclusive. 

 

Cheers,

Alexandra 

 

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