Re: [HTCondor-users] Trying to understand quotas and especially hierarchical groups

[Jeff Templon <templon@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Thomas,

Thanks for assisting.

On 19 Nov 2025, at 10:09, Thomas Hartmann <thomas.hartmann@xxxxxxx> wrote:

on a quick glance, the group (hierarchical) weights look good to me ð

When you say âgroup (hierarchical) weightsâ do you mean with the first configuration (including the subgroups in GROUP_NAMES) or the second one?

What does
 condor_userprio -grouprollup -quota {-hierarchical}
say for your current group weights - I think, that should "flatten" sub-groups together

This is what it looks like for configuration 2 (no subgroups in GROUP_NAMES)

$ condor_userprio -hierarchical -quota

Last Priority Update: 11/19 10:14

Group                       Effective  Config     Use    Subtree   Weighted

Name                          Quota     Quota   Surplus   Quota   Requested

--------------------------- --------- --------- ------- --------- ----------

<none>                         443.61      0.00 yes      14787.00       4569

group_alice                   1182.96      0.08 ByQuota   1182.96       2458

group_atlas                   6062.67      0.41 ByQuota   6062.67      14506

group_dune                    1330.83      0.09 ByQuota   1330.83         19

group_enmr                    1330.83      0.09 ByQuota   1330.83        834

group_gw                      1330.83      0.09 ByQuota   1330.83         71

group_lhcb                    2957.40      0.20 ByQuota   2957.40          1

group_ops                      147.87      0.01 ByQuota    147.87          1

--------------------------- --------- --------- ------- --------- ----------

Number of users: 16

Thatâs another thing I forgot to mention : âWeighted Requestedâ is not documented in the man page or documentation; it appears to be the total number of slots worth of jobs for that group that are either currently running or sitting waiting in the queue.  I also donât know how to have it tell me what the effective usage is, to compare to the effective quota, so I know what the âstarvation orderâ of the scheduler should be and can check that thatâs what it is really doing.

JT