Re: [HTCondor-devel] Linux containerization

[Matthew Farrellee <matt@xxxxxxxxxx>]

On 10/17/2013 01:29 PM, Erik Paulson wrote:
> C'mon, that's not what he's saying. As HTCondor is going to keep
> supporting Windows for a while, there will have to be a working solution
> for running Windows jobs. As happy as I'm sure it'd make Redhat, they're
> not suggesting forget about Windows.
Thanks Erik. In fact, Red Hat supports Windows execute nodes in MRG.


> There are two things to consider:
>
> 1. The starter have been factored to be more of a stand-alone tool, and
> been used as a tool in other systems like Mesos and OpenStack. HTCondor
> went down this path a bit many years ago with the GridShell, but that
> work didn't continue. Miron was ahead of his time there, and it's too
> bad because Condor could have been well positioned when the rest of the
> world realized what they needed.
>
> 2. What I think is the bigger issue - if Docker containers become
> important, Condor should support them. Maybe it wraps docker, maybe the
> starter natively supports decoding docker images and booting them ( see
> https://index.docker.io/ for example containers).
>
> Maybe someday Condor jobs automatically get wrapped into docker
> containers and much of the Linux starter gets deleted and simply uses
> Docker. The HTCondor philosophy is not to chase the shiny technology of
> the day, so this isn't a likely development path anytime soon, but I'd
> be careful to not make decisions that would rule it out.
Well said.


Best,


matt


> -Erik
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Ziliang Guo <ziliang@xxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:ziliang@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
>     Oh, so you're saying they also intend to add native, complete support
>     for Windows?
>
>     On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Matthew Farrellee <matt@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:matt@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>      > Too true. We could have factored the starter into a re-usable
>     tool, but the
>      > time for the was when we first added cgroup & namespace support.
>     It has
>      > past.
>      >
>      > Best,
>      >
>      >
>      > matt
>      >
>      >
>      > On 10/17/2013 09:50 AM, Lans Carstensen wrote:
>      >>
>      >> +1....
>      >>
>      >> It's integrated with a variety of service-oriented platforms
>     already,
>      >> where Condor's tooling hasn't quite evolved quickly enough or been
>      >> picked up broadly by other projects - you don't have to fight that
>      >> battle.
>      >>
>      >> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 4:17 AM, Matthew Farrellee
>     <matt@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:matt@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >> wrote:
>      >>>
>      >>> On 03/27/2013 03:36 PM, Erik Paulson wrote:
>      >>>>
>      >>>>
>      >>>> This looks fun:
>      >>>>
>      >>>> http://docker.io/
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>> The new starter?
>      >>>
>      >>> And it's maintaining its meteoric rise.
>      >>>
>      >>> It's already integrated with Mesos and OpenStack.
>      >>>
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